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>According to Wilson, and to Retired U.S. Navy Lt. Commander Al Martin >(www.almartinraw.com), Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the >Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party >Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in >the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built >the Birkenau death camp, at which tens of thousands of Jews, Gypsies, >dissidents and other were slaughtered en masse.

When I first encountered this story, I tended to believe it since it was sandwiched in among a bunch of other stuff that appeared to be true (eg that Rove probably leaked Wilson's wife's name and status as a CIA agent to Robert Novak). However, I could find no independent verification of any of the nexus of claims -- no proof that Wilson referred to Rove's grandfather as Roverer, no listings on the web for Roverer at all except in various version's of Al Martin's story, no listing for the "Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A.G." firm or the name Roverer anywhere in the extensive archives of Nizkor,

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Why did we invade Iraq?

NEW YORK, N.Y. -- Much as I hate to interrupt what is apparently a deeply felt triumphalism on the American right, now that it's over, does anyone see any reason for our having invaded Iraq?

            I realize that's what we all kept trying to figure out before the invasion, but don't you think it should at least be visible in hindsight? Good thing we won the war, because the peace sure looks like a quagmire.

            These are early days, certainly, to attempt a full historical evaluation. Could be a case of the forest and the trees. Perhaps we're well along the road to having everything work out magnificently, and I'm just missing it. Still, I can't see anything that's going right.

            Iraq is in chaos, and apparently the only way we'll be able to stop it will be to kill a lot of Iraqis. Just what Saddam used to do. The other day, we announced we were going to shoot looters, and when that produced nightmare scenarios of children dead for stealing bread, we had to cancel that plan.

            Now we're going to try gun control. That should have the

Paradise in Cookham

LONDON -- As one who once wrote a book titled "The Golden Age Is in Us," I took myself off on a Saturday to see Paradise, an exhibition at the National Gallery on Trafalgar Square. The traveling show had already been shown in Bristol and Newcastle, attracting 160,000 people, apparently double what they would have expected normally in those galleries. People want to know the lineaments of paradise, whose earthly possibilities utopians used to spend much time usefully describing, though not much anymore.

            The show turned out to be patchy, with the curator scraping together a show from available ingredients, such as a Boucher, a Gauguin, a Constable, a Monet, a Rothko, a couple of Renaissance paintings and so forth. But making my visit entirely worthwhile was one marvelous painting, one of Stanley Spencer's Cookham paintings about the Last Judgment, done in 1934. It shows a dustman resurrected in his beefy wife's arms, she in "ecstatic communion with the dustman's corduroy trousers," as Spencer put it. Other dustmen and women, plus a cat, surround the couple.

            "I feel, in this Dustman picture," Spencer wrote, "that it is

Seige Heil: The Bush-Rove-Schwarzenegger Nazi Nexus

This article is the original version of an updated piece. Please view the version in the National News section (www.freepress.org/departments.php?strFunc=display&strID=386&strYear=2003&strDept=20).

George W. Bush's grandfather helped finance the Nazi Party. Karl Rove's grandfather allegedly helped run the Nazi Party, and helped build the Birkenau Death Camp. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Austrian father volunteered for the infamous Nazi SA and became a ranking officer.

Together, they have destabilized California and are on the brink of bringing it a new Reich. With the Schwarzenegger candidacy they have laid siege to America's largest state, lining it up for the 2004 election.

The Bush family ties to the Nazi party are well known. In their 1994 Secret War Against the Jews, Mark Aarons and John Loftus use official US documents to establish that George Herbert Walker, George W. Bush's maternal great-grandfather, was one of Hitler's most important early backers. He funneled money to

Karl Rove -- Carl Roever

It does appear that some apologies may be in order ... my transmitting to several lists the Al Martin "Raw" allegation that Karl Rove is the grandson of the Nazi-era Gauleiter of Oldenburg was certainly premature, and I do very sincerely apologize for it.

Historian and scholar Michael Rademacher of Germany is the author of a book about Roever. His statement here makes it very unlikely that Roever's recognized or traceable descendants include a grandson.

What we have here is apparently a similarity in name only. My own research also uncovered the fact that Rove is a name known in Scandinavia.

Seige Heil: The Bush-Rove-Schwarzenegger Nazi Nexus

Just read your article on commondreams.org and am already trembling in my boots thinking of the bad times descending upon California.

By the way, a bunch of 'progressive intellectuals' doing such an exhaustive research should have figured out how to spell 'Sieg Heil'.

Keep on dreaming....

Frank Hummel
Toronto, Canada

[Ed Note: Fitrakis and Wasserman are playing with words.]

Thank YOU Harvey

The Recent Counterpunch story is fantastic! Listening to Working Assets this morning, only reinforces that. Am sending the link to ask many people as I can.

Best, Michelle Sura
Columnist, Bolinas Hearsay News

Siege Heil: the Nazi Nexus*

George W. Bush’s grandfather helped finance the Nazi Party. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Austrian father volunteered for the infamous Nazi SA and became a ranking officer. And Karl Rove can’t hide his joy at witnessing “a Nazi rally” in support of Bush.

Together, they have destabilized California and are on the brink of bringing it a new Reich. With the Schwarzenegger candidacy they have laid siege to America’s largest state, lining it up for the 2004 presidential election.

The Bush family’s ties to the Nazi party are well known. In their 1994 book Secret War Against the Jews, Mark Aarons and John Loftus use official U.S. documents to establish that George Herbert Walker, George W. Bush’s great-grandfather, was one of Hitler’s most important early backers. He funneled money to the rising young fascist through the Union Banking Corporation.

The Gropenator knows government like Rush knows football

Arnold Schwarzenegger is an authoritarian serial sex fiend and Rush Limbaugh is a drug-addicted racist, and neither one of them is fit to govern.

And for these two role models of the American right, what goes around, comes around.  

For California voters, there should be only one overriding question about someone's candidacy for governor:  how would she or he handle the job?

But with Arnold, it's not so simple.

For starters, there's no indication he knows anything about running a government.  His one memorable advocacy position has been for the termination of the state's Environmental Protection Agency.  He originally said it duplicated the fine job being done by George W. Bush's national EPA.  But he's since backed off.

Otherwise, Arnold's sworn his love for de-regulating the industries that fund the Republican party. That brave stance is underscored by his Chief Advisor, Pete Wilson.  As governor in 1996, Wilson signed the infamous AB1890 utility deregulation bill that destabilized the state to the tune of $100 billion.  

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